I didn't take any of the shots, but my thought process is similar. I'm at sufficiently low risk that I could afford to take a "wait and see" approach, knowing that new drugs often take a while to show problems (even with very extensive testing, which these didn't have) and that there'd never been a good coronavirus vaccine before. I figured I'd wait a few years, until we had better data, then make a free and informed choice, just like every other drug I've taken as an adult.
At this point? No. I'm not convinced the vaccines work very well, I'm not convinced that being vaxxed is safer for me than remaining unvaxxed, but more importantly, I'm not going to encourage all the coercion and propaganda and sheer unreasonable nonsense that's going on by giving its architects what they want. When you reward behavior, you get more of it.
I have been using the exact phrase "wait and see approach" for months now as my explanation. It's perfectly reasonable.
I work in technology - everybody knows you never ever take the beta version of any new technology or model. It's like paying to be their QA, don't do it.
I took the same approach and the trajectory ever since has been that the vaccine is continually being shown to be worse than we thought while the virus is continually being shown to be less dangerous than we thought. Not surprising when they started out as the best and the worst things ever, respectively.
Still I'm always open to being convinced by the data. I'm just waiting for evidence that shows that the vaccine will significantly reduce my risk of (all-cause) severe illness.
That's the medical part. But they've gone and created a situation where getting a vaccine also means legitimising tyranny. I refuse to let them succeed. Whatever pain they're causing us now is nothing compared to what they'll do if we allow them to cross this line.
I am similar, but my main reason for not taking it was that I won't be bullied by government into taking a rushed untested vaccine. The more data that comes out, the more happy I am to have made that decision.
My position is somewhat similar. I got vaccinated back in the summer, but my estimate of my personal risk profile was such that I probably wouldn't have, except that I was thinking more along the lines of "doing my part" not to be a vector of transmission. But then it turns out that my chances of being a vector of transmission are barely different for barely a few months, and I'm not "doing my part" for anything productive if people are losing their jobs, health care, etc., over making a different choice for themselves. Now I've shifted pretty strongly against the vaccines in general, including boosters and children.
I agree with your assessment. As long as people comply, this will never end. You cannot comply your way out of tyranny. FYI, there is some evidence that the jabs impair ones ability to mount durable cellular immunity with infection.
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"(iii) recent observations from UK Health Security Agency (UKHSA) surveillance data that N antibody levels appear to be lower in individuals who acquire infection following 2 doses of vaccination."
Serological markers of SARS-CoV-2 infection; anti-nucleocapsid antibody positivity may not be the ideal marker of natural infection in vaccinated individuals
Some experts are concerned about ADE. Some experts are concerned about Original Antigenic Sin, which potentially plays a role in ADE. If the vaxx antibodies recognize the virus but do not disable its ability to infect cells, the innate immune system "stands down" and the body doesn't create more targeted antibodies to the mutated virus.
Geert Vanden Bossche has been warning about the dangers of mass vaxx in the middle of a pandemic for over a year. The virus is not as stable as once believed. The UK and Hawaii are now dealing with Delta Plus, which has acquired two of the four mutations needed to completely evade vaxx immunity. When the vaxxed confront that variant, will they be like the unvaxxed...or will they be at higher risk because of the vaxx antibodies? We don't know.
Some are concerned about a Marek's effect (the mass vaxx campaign will spin off a virulent strain of the virus that is dangerous for everyone, especially the unvaxxed).
Some are concerned about short term and longterm damage to innate and adaptive immunity, which has implications for all infections and cancer.
Dr. Ryan Cole talks about these risks in this video. He's part of a team of doctors who has been traveling the world trying wake people up to the risk (Malone, Urso, Kory, etc.)
Thanks for this reply! I was asking for everyone and your response points to the same concerns that I have. Non-sterilizing vaccines create a vast number of non-linear risks.
Dude, I am right there with you. I am 67 and have a blood clotting disorder. Theoretically, I am a good candidate for the booster. Having said that, our 'health officials" have lied to us about EVERYTHING, including masks, lockdowns, and vaccine efficacy. They can screw themselves. I will not reward their tyranny. I have a vitamin D3 level of 75ng/L and I have therapeutics in case I get it anyway. That is enough. We move forward.
Besides the severe pain, fever and uncontrollable diarrhea I had significant uterine bleeding that went on for weeks. The side effects for the first shot were much worse and I suspect I have already had covid, which presented as a mild cold for me, an otherwise healthy 30-something. I did just find out I was pregnant and there is no way I’m going to take a shot that causes my uterus to eject its contents. They can take their authoritarianism and shove it
I know it's damn near impossible to do, but what I'd love to see from you Gummi is more deep dive on vaccine injury, especially re VAERS. Obviously huge numbers of reports, but how many of them actually indicate that its the shot's fault? The CDC seems to simply bury it, ignore everything while others assume every report is a real vax injury. Neither are of course true. How does one properly read the data?
Excellent logic, it's why I declined the jab completely - I could see it rolling down to younger and younger cohorts whose risk benefit ratio was entirely the wrong way around, and I didn't want that so I had to take a stand. Then I read Geert Vanden Bossche and the dangers of mass vaccination with a leaky vaccine became evident https://www.geertvandenbossche.org/ ....only those truly at risk from the virus should ever have chanced the jab as the more people get it the quicker it would become ineffective
Thanks Gummi for coming around. I understand you like looking at data to form your opinion. Problem is that with COVID more than with many other issues of the past, we can’t trust the data. The data does not meet with the reality on the frontlines.
"I believe the booster is a net positive in terms of my risk of dying from Covid-19" Unless you have diabetes, are overweight, or have dealt or are dealing with cancer, what are we talking, a .002% net positive of hospitalization and death? Insane. Anyone not in these categories taking the original vaccine are complicit in "the forced vaccination of our children, mask mandates, and restrictions." AND vaccinated people like yourself are complicit in allowing "public health" to not focus on treatment; allowing doctors, pharmacists and hospitals to deny treatment and literally killing people. No one, NO ONE knows the long term effects of these vaccines. More "reported" deaths and adverse effects for all vaccines for the last 40 years combined. We need people like you not just to deny getting a booster but to come out and admit that falling in line with the original vaccine (that isn't an inoculation) has contributed to all the medical tyranny we see now.
I don't know if Gummi has said anything about his age or health but for me, I suspect at 61 & a bit overweight I'd be "safer" with a booster than without. But my response has been no freakin way in Hell. The harder they push & the more determined they are to hide vaccine injury the more determined I am not to comply.
Everyone should take there own risk/benefit analysis. But with all the moving goalposts, lies and destruction from elites, public health, Big Media & Big Pharma in the name of "the greater good" I don't trust any noted benefit; especially since all vaccine takers are simply subjects in a long term experiment. I am more than happy to be the control group.
"I’ve spoken out at length about how it is stupid to keep people locked down after getting vaccinated because that is when they have the best odds at encountering the live virus and developing natural immunity (the superior immunity) without dying."
You need to learn about Original Antigenic Sin and how you can't ever get natural immunity once you've had the vaccine.
OAS while a real thing is merely a theory when it comes to these shots and covid. And "you can't" is never true in real life. There are no black & whites, it's all shades of grey. Likely the "vaccinated" & then infected do have on average a lesser immunity than just someone straight naturally immune, but it's always a matter of degree.
Those just show the "vaccine" doesn't stop infection, especially after a few months. If however these places continue to have rampant infection even after they have had widespread "breakthrough" cases, then yes maybe it's OAS.
Reinfection occurs in vaxxed because they never developed full immunity, only narrowly to the spike, which is quickly mutating. Those naturally immune and unvaxxed have little-to-no reinfection because they have produced antibodies to more than just the spike, and the other proteins do not mutate neatly as fast.
"Never?" Same problem, Eric. But UK data found this effect in those infected vs those infected after vax. There was much lower level of (N) antibody in those vaxxed prior to infection. So there's no hedging with this. If you want more durable and broader immunity, you can't start with these shots. JAMA found same in Qatar data.
Well said! I have a piece posting later today on the vax, getting to similar conclusions: does it make sense for my 80yo grandmother? Yes. Does it make sense for me as a healthy 30-something? Absolutely not - the risk from the vax is ~10x the risk of the 'roni. I won't comply.
I never bought into any of the measures. I was so upset with my fellow Americans agreeing with Trump that we should lockdown for 2 weeks to slow the spread. Never bought in. Ever. I said it back then, that this was just the beginning…get ready for more measures. My friends thought I was crazy, no way would anything resembling Chinese policies go over here in the US. And yet here we are nearly 2 years later with rights gone and people still thinking it was the right thing to do. I can not believe it.
I don’t believe that our forebears locked themselves in their homes and stopped commerce while smallpox was raging. Life is not without risk. Somehow earlier generations knew this and lived their lives accordingly.
I didn't take any of the shots, but my thought process is similar. I'm at sufficiently low risk that I could afford to take a "wait and see" approach, knowing that new drugs often take a while to show problems (even with very extensive testing, which these didn't have) and that there'd never been a good coronavirus vaccine before. I figured I'd wait a few years, until we had better data, then make a free and informed choice, just like every other drug I've taken as an adult.
At this point? No. I'm not convinced the vaccines work very well, I'm not convinced that being vaxxed is safer for me than remaining unvaxxed, but more importantly, I'm not going to encourage all the coercion and propaganda and sheer unreasonable nonsense that's going on by giving its architects what they want. When you reward behavior, you get more of it.
I have been using the exact phrase "wait and see approach" for months now as my explanation. It's perfectly reasonable.
I work in technology - everybody knows you never ever take the beta version of any new technology or model. It's like paying to be their QA, don't do it.
So I didn't take the vax and now I never will.
I took the same approach and the trajectory ever since has been that the vaccine is continually being shown to be worse than we thought while the virus is continually being shown to be less dangerous than we thought. Not surprising when they started out as the best and the worst things ever, respectively.
Still I'm always open to being convinced by the data. I'm just waiting for evidence that shows that the vaccine will significantly reduce my risk of (all-cause) severe illness.
That's the medical part. But they've gone and created a situation where getting a vaccine also means legitimising tyranny. I refuse to let them succeed. Whatever pain they're causing us now is nothing compared to what they'll do if we allow them to cross this line.
Check Berenson's latest post for further a further update.
I am similar, but my main reason for not taking it was that I won't be bullied by government into taking a rushed untested vaccine. The more data that comes out, the more happy I am to have made that decision.
My position is somewhat similar. I got vaccinated back in the summer, but my estimate of my personal risk profile was such that I probably wouldn't have, except that I was thinking more along the lines of "doing my part" not to be a vector of transmission. But then it turns out that my chances of being a vector of transmission are barely different for barely a few months, and I'm not "doing my part" for anything productive if people are losing their jobs, health care, etc., over making a different choice for themselves. Now I've shifted pretty strongly against the vaccines in general, including boosters and children.
I agree with your assessment. As long as people comply, this will never end. You cannot comply your way out of tyranny. FYI, there is some evidence that the jabs impair ones ability to mount durable cellular immunity with infection.
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"(iii) recent observations from UK Health Security Agency (UKHSA) surveillance data that N antibody levels appear to be lower in individuals who acquire infection following 2 doses of vaccination."
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1032859/Vaccine_surveillance_report_-_week_45.pdf
I recommend you take steps to boost your immunity (Vitamin D, Zinc, Vitamin C, Quercetin, N-acetyl cysteine) and get yourself some Ivermectin.
https://www.pushhealth.com/service-request/ivermectin/1683?state=Pennsylvania&fbclid=IwAR20zhs6q_dYLAyYm0dMd_nBFRr600Jn7rr-BsEnTZpo9m8zU4K6B3BFw48
https://honeybeehealth.com
https://covid19criticalcare.com
Serological markers of SARS-CoV-2 infection; anti-nucleocapsid antibody positivity may not be the ideal marker of natural infection in vaccinated individuals
https://www.journalofinfection.com/article/S0163-4453(21)00394-7/fulltext
So, ADE is not the only possible form of disease enhancement, correct?
Some experts are concerned about ADE. Some experts are concerned about Original Antigenic Sin, which potentially plays a role in ADE. If the vaxx antibodies recognize the virus but do not disable its ability to infect cells, the innate immune system "stands down" and the body doesn't create more targeted antibodies to the mutated virus.
Geert Vanden Bossche has been warning about the dangers of mass vaxx in the middle of a pandemic for over a year. The virus is not as stable as once believed. The UK and Hawaii are now dealing with Delta Plus, which has acquired two of the four mutations needed to completely evade vaxx immunity. When the vaxxed confront that variant, will they be like the unvaxxed...or will they be at higher risk because of the vaxx antibodies? We don't know.
Some are concerned about a Marek's effect (the mass vaxx campaign will spin off a virulent strain of the virus that is dangerous for everyone, especially the unvaxxed).
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/science/tthis-chicken-vaccine-makes-virus-dangerous
Some are concerned about short term and longterm damage to innate and adaptive immunity, which has implications for all infections and cancer.
Dr. Ryan Cole talks about these risks in this video. He's part of a team of doctors who has been traveling the world trying wake people up to the risk (Malone, Urso, Kory, etc.)
https://vimeo.com/601562642
Thanks for this reply! I was asking for everyone and your response points to the same concerns that I have. Non-sterilizing vaccines create a vast number of non-linear risks.
I skipped the vaccine altogether. The more they coerce, the happier I am with my decision.
Dude, I am right there with you. I am 67 and have a blood clotting disorder. Theoretically, I am a good candidate for the booster. Having said that, our 'health officials" have lied to us about EVERYTHING, including masks, lockdowns, and vaccine efficacy. They can screw themselves. I will not reward their tyranny. I have a vitamin D3 level of 75ng/L and I have therapeutics in case I get it anyway. That is enough. We move forward.
Besides the severe pain, fever and uncontrollable diarrhea I had significant uterine bleeding that went on for weeks. The side effects for the first shot were much worse and I suspect I have already had covid, which presented as a mild cold for me, an otherwise healthy 30-something. I did just find out I was pregnant and there is no way I’m going to take a shot that causes my uterus to eject its contents. They can take their authoritarianism and shove it
🥳Congratulations!
I know it's damn near impossible to do, but what I'd love to see from you Gummi is more deep dive on vaccine injury, especially re VAERS. Obviously huge numbers of reports, but how many of them actually indicate that its the shot's fault? The CDC seems to simply bury it, ignore everything while others assume every report is a real vax injury. Neither are of course true. How does one properly read the data?
This is what has been needed since the beginning of these inoculations. I was surprised Gummi ignored it completely.
Excellent logic, it's why I declined the jab completely - I could see it rolling down to younger and younger cohorts whose risk benefit ratio was entirely the wrong way around, and I didn't want that so I had to take a stand. Then I read Geert Vanden Bossche and the dangers of mass vaccination with a leaky vaccine became evident https://www.geertvandenbossche.org/ ....only those truly at risk from the virus should ever have chanced the jab as the more people get it the quicker it would become ineffective
Thanks Gummi for coming around. I understand you like looking at data to form your opinion. Problem is that with COVID more than with many other issues of the past, we can’t trust the data. The data does not meet with the reality on the frontlines.
"I believe the booster is a net positive in terms of my risk of dying from Covid-19" Unless you have diabetes, are overweight, or have dealt or are dealing with cancer, what are we talking, a .002% net positive of hospitalization and death? Insane. Anyone not in these categories taking the original vaccine are complicit in "the forced vaccination of our children, mask mandates, and restrictions." AND vaccinated people like yourself are complicit in allowing "public health" to not focus on treatment; allowing doctors, pharmacists and hospitals to deny treatment and literally killing people. No one, NO ONE knows the long term effects of these vaccines. More "reported" deaths and adverse effects for all vaccines for the last 40 years combined. We need people like you not just to deny getting a booster but to come out and admit that falling in line with the original vaccine (that isn't an inoculation) has contributed to all the medical tyranny we see now.
I don't know if Gummi has said anything about his age or health but for me, I suspect at 61 & a bit overweight I'd be "safer" with a booster than without. But my response has been no freakin way in Hell. The harder they push & the more determined they are to hide vaccine injury the more determined I am not to comply.
Everyone should take there own risk/benefit analysis. But with all the moving goalposts, lies and destruction from elites, public health, Big Media & Big Pharma in the name of "the greater good" I don't trust any noted benefit; especially since all vaccine takers are simply subjects in a long term experiment. I am more than happy to be the control group.
Great job friend. I agree with a lot of this and respect the parts I don’t agree with :)
Agreed, I don't agree with most of it but I respect Gummi for writing it.
https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/and-behold-the-lies-have-become-too
"I’ve spoken out at length about how it is stupid to keep people locked down after getting vaccinated because that is when they have the best odds at encountering the live virus and developing natural immunity (the superior immunity) without dying."
You need to learn about Original Antigenic Sin and how you can't ever get natural immunity once you've had the vaccine.
OAS while a real thing is merely a theory when it comes to these shots and covid. And "you can't" is never true in real life. There are no black & whites, it's all shades of grey. Likely the "vaccinated" & then infected do have on average a lesser immunity than just someone straight naturally immune, but it's always a matter of degree.
Waterford, Ireland pretty much proves OAS is happening with this vaccine. As is Gibraltar and Singapore.
Those just show the "vaccine" doesn't stop infection, especially after a few months. If however these places continue to have rampant infection even after they have had widespread "breakthrough" cases, then yes maybe it's OAS.
Reinfection occurs in vaxxed because they never developed full immunity, only narrowly to the spike, which is quickly mutating. Those naturally immune and unvaxxed have little-to-no reinfection because they have produced antibodies to more than just the spike, and the other proteins do not mutate neatly as fast.
Fair point. I guess it's wait and see.
"Never?" Same problem, Eric. But UK data found this effect in those infected vs those infected after vax. There was much lower level of (N) antibody in those vaxxed prior to infection. So there's no hedging with this. If you want more durable and broader immunity, you can't start with these shots. JAMA found same in Qatar data.
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1027511/Vaccine-surveillance-report-week-42.pdf
Gibraltar 99% vaccinated, rolls out the booster, sees a big spike. https://eugyppius.substack.com/p/booster-doses-are-extremely-dangerous?r=h571h&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&utm_source=
Original Antigenic Sin in action.
Well said! I have a piece posting later today on the vax, getting to similar conclusions: does it make sense for my 80yo grandmother? Yes. Does it make sense for me as a healthy 30-something? Absolutely not - the risk from the vax is ~10x the risk of the 'roni. I won't comply.
https://mumma.substack.com/p/vacc-sanity if anyone is interested!
I never bought into any of the measures. I was so upset with my fellow Americans agreeing with Trump that we should lockdown for 2 weeks to slow the spread. Never bought in. Ever. I said it back then, that this was just the beginning…get ready for more measures. My friends thought I was crazy, no way would anything resembling Chinese policies go over here in the US. And yet here we are nearly 2 years later with rights gone and people still thinking it was the right thing to do. I can not believe it.
I don’t believe that our forebears locked themselves in their homes and stopped commerce while smallpox was raging. Life is not without risk. Somehow earlier generations knew this and lived their lives accordingly.
DeSantis 2024!!!!