I think the only thing that will save children from vaccination in most places is non-compliance. Facts won't help.
After all, so far, the powers that be have consistently done the exactly wrong thing and love using the jackboot whenever they get the chance. Facts and logic have yet to fix the problem because most governments aren't acting in good faith. They're using this as an excuse to get as much power as they can. Even in places that aren't as extreme as Australia, we're seeing this. I'm in Puerto Rico, where our SARS numbers have been low for ages. Hospitalizations have never gotten out of hand. Yet the restrictions have no end point. Instead, everything is treated at the government and media level as a reason to panic, and much of the population has gotten caught up in the fear. SARS is no longer a virus. It is a deity that demands ritualistic obedience "because."
They have to do with desire of the elites to move the West to a technocratic - corporatist authoritarian model, similar to China's, where the livehoods of the citizens are controlled by the State through the vaccine/green, or whatever they are called, passports.
On top of that, the long term implications of vaccines are so bad, they want by any means to eliminate any substantial "control group".
They possibly made the pandemic worse and killed more people than saved (just check the strange excess mortality on 2021 of younger age groups that coincidentally (?) started in early spring, at the same period that mass vaccination campaign expanded to the wide population. Or how infections exploded in many countries as soon as vaccinations started).
So I am not optimistic that because of delta, they won't push for mass vaccination on kids. Heck, just look at what is happening in Canada, Australia, NZ, Italy and many other European countries. What justifies destroying lives and work of people for a vaccine that does not stop spread or infections and for a virus that has been circulating at this point at least 2 years and kills maybe 1:1000 people of working age?
"So paradoxically, running away from the virus after you get vaccinated is the wrong thing to do
exposure to the virus in the months after vaccination actually allows you to develop natural immunity while having maximum protection against severe disease"
Don't know about this.
A - per el gato malo, the 2 week worry window thesis says that after getting the first shot (and possibly boosters), your immune system is messed up. I would definitely isolate during that time to avoid getting covid.
B - Per eugyppius and Berenson, "Original Antigenic Sin" may mean that if you're vaccinated prior to getting covid, your immune system may be trained to only recognize the spike proteins and never develop robust immunity.
Gummi: 1- Vaccination against an alpha strain does not appear to be that helpful against a delta strain. So saying vaccinations now help when we are dealing with a different strain of virus does not make sense. 2- Getting children vaccinated is a political weapon being used, not a medical decision. If the powers that be truly looked at all the science, instead of just the pharmacy manipulated science filled with campaign contributions, they would agree not to vaccinate low risk individuals, i.e. children.
yoy cases in new england are up, as well as hospitalization.
this is low season in new england, i pray you are correct but the piper plays in jan to feb here.
i hope you are right about nys, ny metro was hard hit and likely had exposure b4 jan 2020!
i look to cdc excess death chart: all cause mortality is up sep 2021 versus sep 2020, with fl having a bit later surge season.
if vaxxed did reduce covid deaths how come we are not back to running less than upper threshold expected deaths are b4 covid except a single flu season???
Google "Original Antigenic Sin." If this applies, the infection pattern should resemble influenza. More concerning, if one's first exposure to sars-cov-2 is via the mrna vaccines, one's immune system might never develop a memory response as effective as that resulting from being exposed to the entire virus. Over time, you'd expect the waves to continue if the virus successfully mutates to avoid the vax generated antibodies, and for outcomes for the original-vaxed group to get progressively worse when compared to outcomes for the original-virus group since the immune systems of the latter group remember a more comprehensive response.
"But no country, to my knowledge, has so far had another wave following the end of the Delta wave"
I think UK is an exception to this. Delta wave 1 peaked July 21. Delta wave 2 "possibly" peaked October 23. I saw possibly because its entirely possible wave 2 keeps going into winter.
I think the only thing that will save children from vaccination in most places is non-compliance. Facts won't help.
After all, so far, the powers that be have consistently done the exactly wrong thing and love using the jackboot whenever they get the chance. Facts and logic have yet to fix the problem because most governments aren't acting in good faith. They're using this as an excuse to get as much power as they can. Even in places that aren't as extreme as Australia, we're seeing this. I'm in Puerto Rico, where our SARS numbers have been low for ages. Hospitalizations have never gotten out of hand. Yet the restrictions have no end point. Instead, everything is treated at the government and media level as a reason to panic, and much of the population has gotten caught up in the fear. SARS is no longer a virus. It is a deity that demands ritualistic obedience "because."
I am afraid that the reasons driving massive vaccination (via blunt extortion and zero internet in public "health": https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/kitten-corner-we-had-to-destroy-the/comments) have nothing to do with the pandemic or science.
They have to do with desire of the elites to move the West to a technocratic - corporatist authoritarian model, similar to China's, where the livehoods of the citizens are controlled by the State through the vaccine/green, or whatever they are called, passports.
On top of that, the long term implications of vaccines are so bad, they want by any means to eliminate any substantial "control group".
At the individual level they have saved some lives with a big cost of adverse events on mostly health people, but at the social level their wide deployment has been a disaster: https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/leaky-vaccines-super-spreads-and
They possibly made the pandemic worse and killed more people than saved (just check the strange excess mortality on 2021 of younger age groups that coincidentally (?) started in early spring, at the same period that mass vaccination campaign expanded to the wide population. Or how infections exploded in many countries as soon as vaccinations started).
So I am not optimistic that because of delta, they won't push for mass vaccination on kids. Heck, just look at what is happening in Canada, Australia, NZ, Italy and many other European countries. What justifies destroying lives and work of people for a vaccine that does not stop spread or infections and for a virus that has been circulating at this point at least 2 years and kills maybe 1:1000 people of working age?
"So paradoxically, running away from the virus after you get vaccinated is the wrong thing to do
exposure to the virus in the months after vaccination actually allows you to develop natural immunity while having maximum protection against severe disease"
Don't know about this.
A - per el gato malo, the 2 week worry window thesis says that after getting the first shot (and possibly boosters), your immune system is messed up. I would definitely isolate during that time to avoid getting covid.
https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/the-number-of-single-vaxxed-people
B - Per eugyppius and Berenson, "Original Antigenic Sin" may mean that if you're vaccinated prior to getting covid, your immune system may be trained to only recognize the spike proteins and never develop robust immunity.
https://eugyppius.substack.com/p/more-on-original-antigenic-sin-and
https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/eugyppius-on-original-antigenic-sin/
i think your immune system is debiliated for longer than two weeks, what goes away is you self made equivalent of a regeneron dose.
when those mrna induced abs dissolve the immune damage remains.
i am vaxxed and i am doing the zelenko protocol w/quercetin ilo hcq.... every day!
Gummi: 1- Vaccination against an alpha strain does not appear to be that helpful against a delta strain. So saying vaccinations now help when we are dealing with a different strain of virus does not make sense. 2- Getting children vaccinated is a political weapon being used, not a medical decision. If the powers that be truly looked at all the science, instead of just the pharmacy manipulated science filled with campaign contributions, they would agree not to vaccinate low risk individuals, i.e. children.
yoy cases in new england are up, as well as hospitalization.
this is low season in new england, i pray you are correct but the piper plays in jan to feb here.
i hope you are right about nys, ny metro was hard hit and likely had exposure b4 jan 2020!
i look to cdc excess death chart: all cause mortality is up sep 2021 versus sep 2020, with fl having a bit later surge season.
if vaxxed did reduce covid deaths how come we are not back to running less than upper threshold expected deaths are b4 covid except a single flu season???
Google "Original Antigenic Sin." If this applies, the infection pattern should resemble influenza. More concerning, if one's first exposure to sars-cov-2 is via the mrna vaccines, one's immune system might never develop a memory response as effective as that resulting from being exposed to the entire virus. Over time, you'd expect the waves to continue if the virus successfully mutates to avoid the vax generated antibodies, and for outcomes for the original-vaxed group to get progressively worse when compared to outcomes for the original-virus group since the immune systems of the latter group remember a more comprehensive response.
"But no country, to my knowledge, has so far had another wave following the end of the Delta wave"
I think UK is an exception to this. Delta wave 1 peaked July 21. Delta wave 2 "possibly" peaked October 23. I saw possibly because its entirely possible wave 2 keeps going into winter.