Very good writeup. I would add a couple of points I think are relevant.
First, I do understand why Palestinian Arabs would be angry that the UN gave half of "their" land to the Jews in 1948. But that is the reality of partition - when you have two ethnic groups sharing a territory who cannot live peacefully together, unfortunately partition is the only solution. It happened with India and Pakistan (and then Pakistan and Bangladesh), it happened with Ireland and Northern Ireland, with the Balkans, with North and South Korea. Hungary lost 70% of its territory after World War I and Turkey lost more than 80% (which included the land of Palestine).
Even if you think the partition is unfair, history shows that it's much better for your people in the long run to move on with your lives and build the best country you can and hold to your new borders. The IRA lost their fight, after half a century of terrorism they did not succeed in driving the British out of the North. Now that they've made peace, the peoples on both sides of the border live in a peace and prosperity that was unimaginable during the troubles.
Look at some pictures and videos of Gaza before Oct 7 and you will instantly see the lie of the "open air prison." Gaza was indistinguishable from any Egyptian or Jordanian neighborhood and more prosperous than many of then. In fact, the GDP per capita of Gazans was higher than that of Syrians and about the same as Egyptians. Palestinians who live and work in other Arab countries like the UAE tend to be smart and educated and have a good reputation as employees. It's heartbreaking that Gazans decided to throw that all away to try and kill Jews, that they have thrown it away so many times in history rather than build a real country for themselves. I know it's not likely but I hope in my heart that this war could mean a new beginning for them, as WWII was for Germany and Japan despite how devastated they were by the war.
So many lies and deceits, but I’m sure you’re not even aware since this seems like a lot of re-packaged Israeli propaganda.
For instance, if one were going to bring the numbers of Jews in Arab states, one might want to mention the Mossad synagogue bombings and publicity campaigns intended drive Middle Eastern Jews to Israel. Deceitful.
Or, for an example of a lie: this is absolutely an attempted land grab by Israel. What did you think the constant driving of people further south while consistently cajoling & calling out Egypt is? Did you not see the plan leaked from the intelligence think tank which echoes what numerous Israelis, including officials (“we’re instituting another Nakba”), have said?
The plan calls for a consistent bombing campaign and maintaining the blocks on entry of sufficient amounts of food, water, fuel, etc. such that the people of Gaza become so scared for their lives and so desperate for sustenance than they yield to demand they go to Egypt. Israel would construct tent cities in Sinai, establish a “sterile zone” buffer, and then allow the humanitarian crisis to fester (“an epidemic plays to our strengths,” they said) enough that Western and Muslim countries take on even more of the Palestinian diaspora. The plan specifically mentions Canada, Spain, Greece, and North Africa as likely candidates for the dispersal of these 2.3 million people. This is pure and unadulterated ethnic cleansing of the sort certain Israelis (like many of the ones in power) have been promoting for some time.
Now one that’s both: it’s simply untrue as a matter of fact that the Palestinian leaders (which leaders? Israel was sure to fund many, including Hamas, as it played divide & conquer and worse) want only the dissolution of Israel. The PLO/PA acknowledged Israel and embraced a two-state solution in the 90s. Hamas published a fresh charter in 2017 that plainly states their problem is with Zionism and their dispute is over land and specifically not with Judaism or over religion. They too have expressed interest in the internationally accepted 1967 borders solution.
Only Israel refuses to cooperate on this. Only they figure out ways to sabotage the process or to so aggravate the Palestinians that they lash out, thereby providing a pretext for Israel to do what they wanted to do anyway. I said it when they disrespected al-Aqsa earlier this year: this provocation is designed to provoke a response and get Netanyahu out of the turmoil he’d spent 40 weeks in prior to 10/7 while opening the door to a Final Solution for the Palestinian question. I note the bulldozers are destroying West Bank roads and settler attacks have exploded upwards there where there is no Hamas leadership.
Additionally, it’s quite deceitful to make that allegation (based on old material Israelis insist on being willfully ignorant about) and neglect to mention the Likud Party platform which advocates a singular Jewish state literally from the river to the sea.
I don’t have an hour to spend right now picking the whole thing to pieces, from the argument of guilt by association (can we get the very short list of Israel’s supporters, including the vast majority of the Western ruling class and some bumbling Boomer Evangelical dupes & their borderline doomsday cults?) to the lame appeal to standing up to terrorism (what exactly do you propose they do? The Great March of Return was just the last peaceful action that was met with bullets and opprobrium—what’s their next move supposed to be? Be quiet and die off like they’re supposed to?).
Maybe I will later, but I don’t think you’ve really done the many hours of research required to produce a fair picture of this conflict. You should try reading both sides. The contradictions, mendacity, and brutality on the Israeli side would become abundantly clear.
I agree with most of your column. The only difference is your contention regarding Israeli "settlements" in the "west bank". First of all, it's Judea and Samaria, and was until Jordan illegally conquered and occupied it from 1948-1967 and changed the name of the territory to the "West Bank". The "settlements" are not illegal, contrary to that repeated talking point. They are Jews living in their homeland. I hope you do some more research on that topic.
People continue to fall for this propaganda because they have no understanding of what and who hamas is, because they have no understanding of evil.
hamas doesn't give a damn about its own people.
They hoard foreign aid, hide out in their lavish mansions, and then play the victim card afterwards.
They use the land that was offered to them as a warzone. (the same land which was only taken in the first place in self-defense)
They divert water, electricity, and fuel towards terrorist activities, such as building rockets, hundreds of kilometers worth of tunnels, etc, and then cry about their living conditions.
They regularly incite hatred towards Jews, not just Zionists, but Jews, through the use of education, media, sermons, speeches, etc. (think about that the next time you see headlines such as "Israel has killed thousands of children")
They inflate casualty numbers, fake scenes of violence against them, (look up the term 'pallywood') masquerade as soldiers, journalists, and medical personnel, and list terrorist casualties as civilians. (think about that the next time you see headlines such as "Israel has killed thousands of children")
Previous conflicts have shown that upon further review, many of the so-called "civilians" have ended up outing themselves as terrorists through the use of various photos, videos, statements, etc. (think about that the next time you see headlines such as "Israel has killed thousands of children")
Anyone who still thinks that this is about land is seriously deluding themselves.
First off, they've already been given plenty of it.
Second, they regularly call for the death of all Jews.
Israel could cease to exist tomorrow, and they would still continue hunting down every last Jew in existence.
People continue to fall for the propaganda hook, line, and sinker.
They fail to realize that they are being used.
They view emotionally charged images, videos, articles, and continue to get more and more emotionally invested, up to the point, where they can no longer see or think rationally or clearly.
They don't know any of what I mentioned above because they continue to get their information from propaganda outlets such as Al Jazeera, B'Tzelem, Ha'aretz, Mondoweiss, The Electronic Intifada, BBC, NBC, Reuters, The New York Times, etc.
I have noticed so much hypocrisy in the “free Palestine” movement and have found most of them almost impossible to talk to. If you say anything less than “Israel is evil and responsible for 100% of this war,” hell, even if you express compassion for the 10/7 victims, you are met with “what about the genocide of Palestinian babies???” or are accused of being pro-ethnic cleansing or something.
They must believe no other countries in the Muslim world have behaved like “colonialists” and mistreated ppl with an eye for wealth and power, that all other countries have peaceful histories. Israel is not blameless but the idea that they are uniquely evil shows that ppl don’t know much about history or geopolitics.
Phenomenal and detailed article. Thank you! I just need to pick one bone. You say "But I will say that I think illegal settlements by Israelis in the West Bank are wrong and seriously undermine the Jewish cause." What is an illegal settlement? Jews live in land conquered in both 1948 and 1967, in wars Israel won but did not start. I don't understand the concept of calling it illegal for Jews to live anywhere, and it certainly does not undermine the Jewish cause for Jews to live in their homeland. The only way there can ever be a Palestinian state right next to Israel is if it is as safe for Jews to live in that state as it is for Arab Muslims to live in Israel. Let's not fall in the trap of saying it is illegal for Jews to live anywhere is the world, but certainly not in the biblical heartland.
Caveat to the Radicalization of the Palestinians, regarding the survey. Each Palestinian population is essentially under a dictatorship, I imagine even if one did not support the 10-7 attacks in Gaza or the West Bank as a Palestinian they would fear their government would hang them just as they recently did to the two "suspected" Israeli collaborators.
There is no way to gauge the actual sentiment of the Palestinians as long as Hamas is the governing authority
Wanted to add regarding the 'Tactic: Shift the debate towards the historical context'. If the so-called 'occupation' justifies terror, then by the same token, Israelis, who see their homeland occupied by Palestinians, would also see themselves as justified in using terror against Palestinians.
And in general, any group of people who see themselves as occupied or wronged, will see themselves as justified in using terror. This would lead to bloodshed and loss of innocent lives.
an important thing to notice in this issue: why are there NO Iranian Muslims supporting 'palestine'? The answer is because they understand what living under Western-backed islamist tyranny is all about. They see right through the lies of the Arab and American Muslim community, who are both lapdogs of our domestic Arabists. Iranians still remember Cyrus.
Let me see if I got it. Following your reasoning, if an isolated terrorist group committed terrorism, should we put an end to it, even if it kills thousands of innocent civilians, and is that ok? Are they just compensations? my god man! You guys are all crazy!
This is a good piece. But when you reference illegal Israeli settlements, are you referring to all settlements in W. Bank? Are you including parts of Jerusalem?
A million times yes to what you wrote. Thank you indeed for wading into this issue.
Very good writeup. I would add a couple of points I think are relevant.
First, I do understand why Palestinian Arabs would be angry that the UN gave half of "their" land to the Jews in 1948. But that is the reality of partition - when you have two ethnic groups sharing a territory who cannot live peacefully together, unfortunately partition is the only solution. It happened with India and Pakistan (and then Pakistan and Bangladesh), it happened with Ireland and Northern Ireland, with the Balkans, with North and South Korea. Hungary lost 70% of its territory after World War I and Turkey lost more than 80% (which included the land of Palestine).
Even if you think the partition is unfair, history shows that it's much better for your people in the long run to move on with your lives and build the best country you can and hold to your new borders. The IRA lost their fight, after half a century of terrorism they did not succeed in driving the British out of the North. Now that they've made peace, the peoples on both sides of the border live in a peace and prosperity that was unimaginable during the troubles.
Look at some pictures and videos of Gaza before Oct 7 and you will instantly see the lie of the "open air prison." Gaza was indistinguishable from any Egyptian or Jordanian neighborhood and more prosperous than many of then. In fact, the GDP per capita of Gazans was higher than that of Syrians and about the same as Egyptians. Palestinians who live and work in other Arab countries like the UAE tend to be smart and educated and have a good reputation as employees. It's heartbreaking that Gazans decided to throw that all away to try and kill Jews, that they have thrown it away so many times in history rather than build a real country for themselves. I know it's not likely but I hope in my heart that this war could mean a new beginning for them, as WWII was for Germany and Japan despite how devastated they were by the war.
So many lies and deceits, but I’m sure you’re not even aware since this seems like a lot of re-packaged Israeli propaganda.
For instance, if one were going to bring the numbers of Jews in Arab states, one might want to mention the Mossad synagogue bombings and publicity campaigns intended drive Middle Eastern Jews to Israel. Deceitful.
Or, for an example of a lie: this is absolutely an attempted land grab by Israel. What did you think the constant driving of people further south while consistently cajoling & calling out Egypt is? Did you not see the plan leaked from the intelligence think tank which echoes what numerous Israelis, including officials (“we’re instituting another Nakba”), have said?
The plan calls for a consistent bombing campaign and maintaining the blocks on entry of sufficient amounts of food, water, fuel, etc. such that the people of Gaza become so scared for their lives and so desperate for sustenance than they yield to demand they go to Egypt. Israel would construct tent cities in Sinai, establish a “sterile zone” buffer, and then allow the humanitarian crisis to fester (“an epidemic plays to our strengths,” they said) enough that Western and Muslim countries take on even more of the Palestinian diaspora. The plan specifically mentions Canada, Spain, Greece, and North Africa as likely candidates for the dispersal of these 2.3 million people. This is pure and unadulterated ethnic cleansing of the sort certain Israelis (like many of the ones in power) have been promoting for some time.
Now one that’s both: it’s simply untrue as a matter of fact that the Palestinian leaders (which leaders? Israel was sure to fund many, including Hamas, as it played divide & conquer and worse) want only the dissolution of Israel. The PLO/PA acknowledged Israel and embraced a two-state solution in the 90s. Hamas published a fresh charter in 2017 that plainly states their problem is with Zionism and their dispute is over land and specifically not with Judaism or over religion. They too have expressed interest in the internationally accepted 1967 borders solution.
Only Israel refuses to cooperate on this. Only they figure out ways to sabotage the process or to so aggravate the Palestinians that they lash out, thereby providing a pretext for Israel to do what they wanted to do anyway. I said it when they disrespected al-Aqsa earlier this year: this provocation is designed to provoke a response and get Netanyahu out of the turmoil he’d spent 40 weeks in prior to 10/7 while opening the door to a Final Solution for the Palestinian question. I note the bulldozers are destroying West Bank roads and settler attacks have exploded upwards there where there is no Hamas leadership.
Additionally, it’s quite deceitful to make that allegation (based on old material Israelis insist on being willfully ignorant about) and neglect to mention the Likud Party platform which advocates a singular Jewish state literally from the river to the sea.
I don’t have an hour to spend right now picking the whole thing to pieces, from the argument of guilt by association (can we get the very short list of Israel’s supporters, including the vast majority of the Western ruling class and some bumbling Boomer Evangelical dupes & their borderline doomsday cults?) to the lame appeal to standing up to terrorism (what exactly do you propose they do? The Great March of Return was just the last peaceful action that was met with bullets and opprobrium—what’s their next move supposed to be? Be quiet and die off like they’re supposed to?).
Maybe I will later, but I don’t think you’ve really done the many hours of research required to produce a fair picture of this conflict. You should try reading both sides. The contradictions, mendacity, and brutality on the Israeli side would become abundantly clear.
This has been one of the most clearly written, well thought out breakdowns I have read. Bravo. Im so glad to see this. 👏👏👏
I agree with most of your column. The only difference is your contention regarding Israeli "settlements" in the "west bank". First of all, it's Judea and Samaria, and was until Jordan illegally conquered and occupied it from 1948-1967 and changed the name of the territory to the "West Bank". The "settlements" are not illegal, contrary to that repeated talking point. They are Jews living in their homeland. I hope you do some more research on that topic.
Thank you for this writing.
I started asking when almost everyone saying the Same thing like save Palestine.
I wanted to see other narrative.
People continue to fall for this propaganda because they have no understanding of what and who hamas is, because they have no understanding of evil.
hamas doesn't give a damn about its own people.
They hoard foreign aid, hide out in their lavish mansions, and then play the victim card afterwards.
They use the land that was offered to them as a warzone. (the same land which was only taken in the first place in self-defense)
They divert water, electricity, and fuel towards terrorist activities, such as building rockets, hundreds of kilometers worth of tunnels, etc, and then cry about their living conditions.
https://honestreporting.com/watering-down-the-facts-israel-the-palestinians-access-to-water/
https://www.camera.org/article/is-israels-siege-denying-water-and-food-to-gaza-just-the-facts/
https://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/2023/11/map-of-israeli-attacks-closely-tracks.html
https://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/2023/11/the-chanukah-miracle-of-last-drops-of.html
https://twitter.com/cogatonline/status/1723752589102129458
https://twitter.com/cogatonline/status/1719756266006810820
https://twitter.com/cogatonline/status/1718590392717676692
They deliberately place there weapons within the civilian infrastructure and environment.
They then attack from said positions, hide behind human shields, and play the victim card afterwards.
https://honestreporting.com/repeat-performance-how-the-media-failed-to-learn-the-lessons-of-2014s-operation-protective-edge/
https://honestreporting.com/its-an-open-secret-whats-really-going-on-in-al-shifa-hospital/
https://www.timesofisrael.com/deepening-pressure-on-hamas-army-says-ground-forces-push-further-into-gaza-city/
https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-releases-new-intel-detailing-hamas-use-of-gaza-hospitals-for-terror-purposes/
https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-says-troops-found-hamas-rocket-launchers-near-playground-swimming-pool-in-gaza/
https://www.timesofisrael.com/rockets-found-in-unrwa-school-for-third-time/
https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-hostage-was-killed-in-shifa-clip-shows-hamas-take-2-more-hostages-there-on-oct-7/
https://www.jpost.com/arab-israeli-conflict/gaza-news/article-772789
https://www.ynetnews.com/article/b1mtxqcxa
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwoXhWr4UVM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEhsIJUw1DQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtyN1tkH9xk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pWiZz1WNZU
https://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/2023/11/finally-reporter-actually-reports-about.html
https://www.instagram.com/p/CzZnIQioRyS/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRFrMV1BBj0
https://www.terrorism-info.org.il/en/hamas-use-of-the-civilian-population-as-human-shields-and-gazas-civilian-facilities-for-terrorism/
https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2021/06/23/hold-hamas-accountable-for-human-shields-use-during-the-may-2021-gaza-war/
https://stratcomcoe.org/cuploads/pfiles/hamas_human_shields.pdf
https://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/2023/11/map-of-israeli-attacks-closely-tracks.html
https://www.israellycool.com/2021/10/08/gazan-terrorist-admits-to-firing-rockets-from-areas-of-supportive-civilians/
They commit multiple suicide bombings, stabbings, shootings, car rammings, etc, and then cry about blockades.
https://www.standwithus.com/factsheets-security-barrier
They regularly incite violence within the vicinity of the "al aqsa mosque" and then play the victim card afterwards.
https://www.israellycool.com/?s=al+aqsa+mosque
https://honestreporting.com/al-aqsa-is-in-danger-the-anatomy-of-a-lie/
They regularly incite violence in general, and then cry out when said terrorists get arrested/shot/killed in self defense.
The ones who are arrested get millions of dollars in stipends. (money that would be better spent on their own people, of course)
https://palwatch.org/page/15217
They regularly incite hatred towards Jews, not just Zionists, but Jews, through the use of education, media, sermons, speeches, etc. (think about that the next time you see headlines such as "Israel has killed thousands of children")
https://www.memri.org/reports/memri-tv-compilation-knife-intifada
https://www.memri.org/reports/memri-tv-archives-hamas-their-own-voices-and-gaza-march-return-israel-compilation-videos
https://www.memri.org/reports/hamas-indoctrination-children-jihad-martyrdom-hatred-jews
https://palwatch.org/page/32378
https://palwatch.org/page/32976
https://palwatch.org/page/1112
https://palwatch.org/page/34768
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2023/11/mothers-and-the-murderous-sons-who-make-them-proud
https://www.jns.org/jns/hamas/23/7/20/304361/
https://unwatch.org/report-u-n-teachers-celebrated-hamas-massacre/
https://www.impact-se.org/wp-content/uploads/UNRWA_Report_2023_IMPACT-se_And_UN-Watch.pdf
memri.org
palwatch.org
They violently attack those who dare to speak out against them.
https://www.thefp.com/p/the-untold-stories-of-gazans
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWk7HL0w8CY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CoYny0N1lR0
https://www.jwire.com.au/eyeless-in-gaza/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rB57WuCf1xQ
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=300684682784291
https://www.terrorism-info.org.il/en/the-price-gazans-pay-for-criticizing-hamas/
They inflate casualty numbers, fake scenes of violence against them, (look up the term 'pallywood') masquerade as soldiers, journalists, and medical personnel, and list terrorist casualties as civilians. (think about that the next time you see headlines such as "Israel has killed thousands of children")
https://honestreporting.com/tag/pallywood/
https://www.israellycool.com/?s=pallywood
https://www.israellycool.com/category/libels/
https://www.israellycool.com/category/fauxtography/
https://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/2023/11/infant-photos-at-shifa-are-not.html
https://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/2023/11/cair-condemns-alleged-hate-crime-and.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqbuBHUZ3gE
https://honestreporting.com/photographers-without-borders-ap-reuters-pictures-of-hamas-atrocities-raise-ethical-questions/
https://honestreporting.com/did-gazan-photojournalists-go-from-witnessing-the-story-to-becoming-part-of-the-story-on-october-7/
https://honestreporting.com/media-give-platform-to-gaza-journalists-who-infiltrated-israel-or-praised-hamas-massacre/
https://david-collier.com/not-what-they-seem/
https://david-collier.com/media-lies/
https://www.jpost.com/middle-east/article-771443
https://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/2023/11/hamas-doesnt-even-pretend-to-adhere-to.html
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2023/11/us-supports-israel-on-use-of-ambulances-by-hamas
https://www.investigativeproject.org/search.php?cx=007811315508120065319%3A59zy8iq-o_8&cof=FORID%3A9&ie=UTF-8&sa=Search&q=ties+to+hamas
Previous conflicts have shown that upon further review, many of the so-called "civilians" have ended up outing themselves as terrorists through the use of various photos, videos, statements, etc. (think about that the next time you see headlines such as "Israel has killed thousands of children")
https://www.israellycool.com/2021/06/02/report-on-initial-gazan-fatalities-showing-majority-were-terrorists-now-available-in-english/
https://www.israellycool.com/2018/05/16/senior-hamas-official-admits-at-least-50-of-those-killed-on-monday-were-hamas-terrorists/
https://www.israellycool.com/2018/04/27/latest-analysis-whopping-80-of-great-march-fatalities-terrorists-or-affiliated-with-terror-orgs/
https://www.israellycool.com/2016/07/08/hamas-slips-up-with-admission/
https://www.israellycool.com/2012/12/24/more-than-60-of-palestinians-killed-during-recent-gaza-operation-were-terrorists/
https://www.jns.org/hamass-numbers-warfare/
https://honestreporting.com/the-battle-over-casualty-counts-in-gaza/
Anyone who still thinks that this is about land is seriously deluding themselves.
First off, they've already been given plenty of it.
Second, they regularly call for the death of all Jews.
Israel could cease to exist tomorrow, and they would still continue hunting down every last Jew in existence.
People continue to fall for the propaganda hook, line, and sinker.
They fail to realize that they are being used.
They view emotionally charged images, videos, articles, and continue to get more and more emotionally invested, up to the point, where they can no longer see or think rationally or clearly.
They don't know any of what I mentioned above because they continue to get their information from propaganda outlets such as Al Jazeera, B'Tzelem, Ha'aretz, Mondoweiss, The Electronic Intifada, BBC, NBC, Reuters, The New York Times, etc.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rB57WuCf1xQ
https://www.camera.org/
https://honestreporting.com/
https://unwatch.org/
https://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/search/label/NGO%20lies
https://david-collier.com/category/media-bias/
https://www.investigativeproject.org/9348/unethical-gaza-reporting-cuts-crucial-context
Continued in next comment
I have noticed so much hypocrisy in the “free Palestine” movement and have found most of them almost impossible to talk to. If you say anything less than “Israel is evil and responsible for 100% of this war,” hell, even if you express compassion for the 10/7 victims, you are met with “what about the genocide of Palestinian babies???” or are accused of being pro-ethnic cleansing or something.
They must believe no other countries in the Muslim world have behaved like “colonialists” and mistreated ppl with an eye for wealth and power, that all other countries have peaceful histories. Israel is not blameless but the idea that they are uniquely evil shows that ppl don’t know much about history or geopolitics.
Phenomenal and detailed article. Thank you! I just need to pick one bone. You say "But I will say that I think illegal settlements by Israelis in the West Bank are wrong and seriously undermine the Jewish cause." What is an illegal settlement? Jews live in land conquered in both 1948 and 1967, in wars Israel won but did not start. I don't understand the concept of calling it illegal for Jews to live anywhere, and it certainly does not undermine the Jewish cause for Jews to live in their homeland. The only way there can ever be a Palestinian state right next to Israel is if it is as safe for Jews to live in that state as it is for Arab Muslims to live in Israel. Let's not fall in the trap of saying it is illegal for Jews to live anywhere is the world, but certainly not in the biblical heartland.
Caveat to the Radicalization of the Palestinians, regarding the survey. Each Palestinian population is essentially under a dictatorship, I imagine even if one did not support the 10-7 attacks in Gaza or the West Bank as a Palestinian they would fear their government would hang them just as they recently did to the two "suspected" Israeli collaborators.
There is no way to gauge the actual sentiment of the Palestinians as long as Hamas is the governing authority
Excellent writeup, thank you!
Wanted to add regarding the 'Tactic: Shift the debate towards the historical context'. If the so-called 'occupation' justifies terror, then by the same token, Israelis, who see their homeland occupied by Palestinians, would also see themselves as justified in using terror against Palestinians.
And in general, any group of people who see themselves as occupied or wronged, will see themselves as justified in using terror. This would lead to bloodshed and loss of innocent lives.
an important thing to notice in this issue: why are there NO Iranian Muslims supporting 'palestine'? The answer is because they understand what living under Western-backed islamist tyranny is all about. They see right through the lies of the Arab and American Muslim community, who are both lapdogs of our domestic Arabists. Iranians still remember Cyrus.
Let me see if I got it. Following your reasoning, if an isolated terrorist group committed terrorism, should we put an end to it, even if it kills thousands of innocent civilians, and is that ok? Are they just compensations? my god man! You guys are all crazy!
This is a good piece. But when you reference illegal Israeli settlements, are you referring to all settlements in W. Bank? Are you including parts of Jerusalem?